I'm not sure any of us are informed enough to make that judgement. It's really down to Rob Price and the medical team. All we can expect is that they will do what is necessary. We do know the players are committed and that's as much as we can expect. It's just as much of a lottery on assuming any incoming player will remain injury free.
Given their injury records and the stage they are at in their careers, it would certainly be a very pleasent surprise to have those 2 available for 30odd games. Cooper is not a player that can hold back, he puts his body on the line but that often comes at a price. His age and the time he needs to recover aren't helpfull. For both players the injuries over last few season seem to have become recurrent and they need more time to shake them off.
PB has struggled not only to get fit but more importantly to remain so. His problems, be it his hamstrings, feet or his tendons remain vulnerable and those kind of injuries have a tendency to reoccur.
Off course you need some luck, but at times in Bamford's case you can see him almost holding back from going full pelt.
Personally I do not regardless if fit not In my opinion they are not right for our club now. They carry to much power in and around the squad and being the supposed leader their game day example is mediocre at best.
We the fan base blamed all the new players last 2 seasons for their game day performances being poor yet by the standards set by the leadership group they were performing equally as mediocre. They got stick but the old guard got a pass.
Our fans, (not all) seem to forget thT the same old guard had us heading towards the bottom of the Championship (15th) prior to Biesla' magic.
As midnight oil said "short term memory I tell ya".
Way too many rumours about players not being comfortable with the leadership group over the 6 years for it to be without some truce. For hose who care to remember the group known as the six note had issues with said leaders, All the loan out players rumoured to had issues. Where there is this much smoke then generally there is fire.
Our club is rebuilding and a different direction from the old guard maybe needed.
I hope this result tells Farke one thing and one thing only.... we need to concentrate our efforts on signing a prolific striker... we have an ok enough defense for the championship and we have a super strong midfield.... but we cannot rely on Bamford he is too prone to injury now I'm afraid.... get that 20 goals a season striker in and we are laughing 👍👍
The thing is we have ten forwards akready, which arguably makes our front line too strong for this division. I really like the look of Joseph and think he would make an excellent understudy for Bamford.
Agree about Joseph 👍 - but if Rutter and Bamford are both out for weeks, now or later, then - and here's the scary part - we might end up playing Dan James as no.9😨
Unfortunately Joseph does not see himself as a understudy to Bamford as he seem himself better then Bamford.
With th style we play we need a complete striker who has high mobility, can score with his feet and head plus bring others into play with hold up play or one touch football.
As much as I dislike Bamford, I do believe he has all that in his locker but said locker has been lock due to injuries or mental issues far to often. He would require 15 games straight to bring it out and unfortunately he has had no ability to remain fit that long.
Second half not so crash hot, we could easily concede against better teams, but we wasted some chances too - James very unlucky with his goal disallowed.
Typical to see both our No9's hobble off - let's hope Rutter or Bamford can start next week
I don't understand the formation Sini,James and Jimmy all seem to be 10 yards apart at some times,I'm not saying it's wrong I just don't understand it.
Hjelde looks really good
Ayling looking more like himself from 2 or 3 years ago.(sorry Dan 😁)
In the attacking 3rd Ayling did look good, I agree there. In the defensive 3rd he was AWOL. Credit for his goal as it was well taken and Summerville's ball was exquisite.
Good team effort, with lots of good performances really.
Well controlled possession, dominated hearts who looked crap.
Ayling did well for the goal - seems a bit odd to pick any one player out of that half as being particularly better than any other - I suppose for me Hjelde stood out - Summerville was involved a lot. Only down side was Rutter limping off.
Looks that way. I think there's every reason to think he should b thrive in that rol. He's got that trickiness and eye for a pass plus goalscoring instincts.
Would have liked to see Charlie Allen iven a chance at the number 10 role this preseason but seem he being held in the U21' for another season. He has that ability to unlock things with a pass.
Summerville can make that position his own and unless we sign a true South American number 10 we mY need to change the role a little.
Poveda was unbelievable and as good as that is we know he'll be massively inconsistent alongside James on the other wing.
We'll no doubt get rid of Summerville and Gnonto now after this 45mins from Poveda! 🙈🤬😲🤔
Credit to Hattrick for his finish.... cool, composed but would he try and roll his foot over the ball in a pressure league game!?
Shacks was good too in different positions 👏
As good a performance as this was, we are going to be moving backwards if we keep ALL OF Ayling, Coops, Shacks, Bamford, Poveda etc in the squad.... we'll be playing Costa next! 🙈
Congratulations to the team tonight on a great performance and probably the worst result we could have got by winning.... very weird feeling! 🙈🤣🤔
I think it's highly unlikely Poveda will remain. Farke has as good said so. But Cooper, Ayling, Shacks and Bamford would walk on hot coals for Leeds. They fit us promoted before, they've got three years added premiership experience. They're exactly what we need for this league.
I definitely keep Poveda as a squad player,all Farke said is he needs to work incredibly hard to be part of his plans.which might be the kick up the ass he needs as he has talent but not consistency.
He had 5 goal involvements in 26 games for a very poor Blackpool team last season and was coming back from a broken leg.
I'd prefer to sell one of James, Summerville,JH or Gnonto to fund a move for someone like Piroe or Hamar.we have too many wingers and not enough LB,CB ,strikers number 10 & midfielders and have brought in little in transfer fees so far.
If we sell Poveda we might get 1 million if we are lucky,sell one of the other wingers and we could get 10-25 million which is enough to fund a decent transfer or 2.
Good line up. Bryam must be in serious consideration for being signed. Drameh can always play LB where we are light. Cresswell and Cooper could be a perfect partnership for this league. And also good to see Shackleton start. Farke needs to rule these players in or out before he starts spending the transfer kitty. Really like Bamford being partnered by Gelhardt, that should bring out the best in both of them.
Good to see you back Lord Drizzlybum.... are you going tomorrow evening? We'll hopefully get a stream from somewhere....
My love for Bamford has waned and I'd love to see young Joseph get a run.... a goalscorer is a goalscorer and fk all this crap that a goalscorer has to fit into a system.
Goalscoring is the hardest, yet most important, thing to do. Let our system of play fit around a potential 20+ goalscorer and not the other way around!!
If we had a 20 goal player last season we'd still be in the fkn Premier....
Half the clickbait sites saying he wants to leave and the other half say he's staying ..
It's a shambles less than 2 weeks out from the start of the season,Kinnear should have had meetings with all players at the end of the season and ask them if they want to leave and if they're leaving get their agent to find them a new club by start of July ...this will drag on until deadline day ..
The Leeds medical team have already said that both Adams and Harrison will not be cleared to commence full outdoor training until September which is around the international break. This mean there is high possibility of failing a medical for anew club meaning more then likely they are here until the next transfer windows.
Of course unless a club iss willing to sign without a medical then it a different story.
Interesting to hear that Farke said he would prefer 2 easier opersitions prior to playing the likes of ManU and Monaco (European level - he called it).
We play Nottingham Forest then Hearts in the next 6 days. Interesting to see how long the side plays for in each...
By the sounds of it and as against Man U a rather decent first half, followed by a poor second. Very poor defending led to the first goal, all 11 Leeds players in our box trying to defend a corner against 6 Monaco players. Poor header away from Cresswell, followed by a clumsy challenge from Gnonto. Why on earth did we have 10, yes 10 players in or in one yard of our six-yard line??? No kidding, but even pub teams in general do better in defending a corner.
Second goal, Byram ball watching already and standing 5yards away from his opponent, decideds to step back another couple of yards just to make sure the Monoca player has even more time and space to put in his cross.
This time Cresswell doesn't even go for the header, can't find his man and Meslier is in no men's land and gets beat with a header from the 18yard line... Takes some doing.
Thank god that after the game there was some good news too, hm..., Wober is probably leaving (no doubt another loan deal),
If Wober leaves that means we'll have Struijk/Coops for one of the centre back positions, we'll be lucky if Cooper is fit enough to play in half of the Championship games.
Adams & Harrison are still out for the forseeable future which perhaps could keep them at the club for now (silver lining).
Firpo's out for 5 weeks so a good chance we'll be stuck with him.
Not a word on Dallas, been out for 15/16 months now.
At least Forshaw is going, so the young ones will have more chance of playing and at least we've gotten an injury prone player off the books.
Why play Meslier if he's leaving?
No Perkins or Greenwood involved?
1 new player in , 9 out with several more on their way?
Still no real LB, still no playmaker, no nr. 9.
The start of the season is just 13days away. Every day just seems to raise more questions than there are answers.
Gnonto due back for training tomorrow so we may, or may not, get some clues as to whether he's going to stay with us.....or whether he's going to have another relegation scrap with Everton.
Surely he's better than this and others should be in for him but it'd be great if he trained really hard for us.
If we're not going to sign any fkn players with the season 20 odd days away then at least players like him, Wober, Adams, Meslier, Sinesterra, Harrison, Summerville etc should stay and get us out of the crap they put us in in the first place.... unfortunately it doesn't work like this but the longer they stay the more chance we have of keeping them.
What a crap post but I'm trying to hold out for a bit of optimism....
There is not much in the way of preseason promotion media this year. Wondering if it is because it will show our players throwing up after the running they are doing.
Sadly, I watched the game. Agree with comments on here. We were OK in the first half and piss poor in the second even though we had far more experienced players.
Tried to catch what I could of the game on a naff stream that kept freezing, whilst making tea and then trying to eat it.
Of the bits I saw it confirmed that Ayling is sadly very much past his best and should in no way be out first choice RB. He has been a fantastic servant to the club, but he simply isn't good enough now.
The only bright spots were the pacy Joseph and young Gray.
Don't understand what the likes of Struijk, Ayling, Bamford & James just did out there, trying to impress Farke? Most certainly NOT!
The way we conceded those 2 goals and very nearly that 3rd goal, is a quick reminder of everything we did wrong over the last few seasons.
No matter which teams we seem to play (from Premiership sides to lower league opponents or even U23/U21) scoring against LUFC remains so very easy. It does not bode well.
I think Man U have employed all their fastest young attackers in the first half so to have kept them out is a decent effort - agree at times it's been a bit scrambled!
What on earth do you think you're doing watching MUTV - go scrub yourself clean.
Very early days but not a bad half - watchable and we seem to have a plan.
Understandably Manure had the better chances, but our 4-2-3-1 is more controlled and possession based than the chaos of last season.
Rutter up front looks tricky at times, but Sinisterra was the best Leeds player out there - very composed and balanced, good passes and involvement. Poveda trying hard on the right wing. Greewood quiet and a bit fragile in the 10 shirt.
Gyabi seeing a lot of the ball in midfield unlike Shackleton who never touched it.
Drameh and Hyelde at fullback have potential, Klaasen made a good stop but a bit iffy with his distribution. Centrebacks mostly solid, occasional gaffe and scramble back.
Man Poo, Monaco at York's 8,500 seater and Hearts at their ground. Would expect behing closed doors games v clubs like Farsley/Harrogate/York too
Just hope we are ready for the sheep shaggers. Live on Sky, never felt this nervous since we faced Stoke in MB's first game, but look what happened there!! My boy and I were watching in disbelief!! Amazing footie not like the drivel we had seen from Colin, Monk, Evans, Redders, Heckingbottom et al.
Ten days between Manure & Monaco game and 8 days between Monaco and hearts so I'd expect us to add another 2 or 3 first team friendlies and maybe a Leeds xi friendly. the 3 friendlies arranged seem to be our high profile games so probably a game against Harrogate or Farsley Celtic and a game or 2 against league 1 or 2 teams would be my guess. ..
Preseason dat one is going to be our fitness guys taking training at this stage. The same guys who had our team unfit last season. Oh how look forward to the team training to sub par standard once more.
That's not strictly accurate - last year's management team has all left the club. Skubula wasn't there for pre season last year and neither was Gallardo.
The first week is the fitness team not the coaches right? 2 days of fitness testing in the modern medical machines to actual fitnes and strength levels. Have we change our medical and fitness team as well?
Perkins scoring well for under 21's in pre season.this game was 5 days ago.
https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/sport/yorkcityfc/23696854.tactics-recruitment-key-york-citys-pre-season-takeaways/
We have a behind closed door friendly v York this week ..
My take from the game.
Sinisterra, Rutter, Summerville and Ampadu seem to have developed a decent understanding.
If James is supposed to be rapid then the other teams RB was equally as fast as he stuck with him.
Struijk slowly starting ( only starting) to look, like a CB again. Hjelde is solid and looking better by the match.
Bamford mobility is shot as he seem to have zero agility and came not stop when he is moving at his top speed.
Ayling is decent in the attacking 3rd and abysmal in the defensive 3rd. Took his goal very well.
There little to no commication between keeper and CB's.
Gnonto looks injured.
Summerville is going to be a real 10 by mid-season as he is starting to understand the role.
Ampadu is a real midfielder and I think can operate as a single DCM.
Shackleton is a perfect role player. Seem to thrive on doing the little things and is a good following structure and instructions.
I hope this result tells Farke one thing and one thing only.... we need to concentrate our efforts on signing a prolific striker... we have an ok enough defense for the championship and we have a super strong midfield.... but we cannot rely on Bamford he is too prone to injury now I'm afraid.... get that 20 goals a season striker in and we are laughing 👍👍
Job's a good 'un.
Clean sheet and another win.
Second half not so crash hot, we could easily concede against better teams, but we wasted some chances too - James very unlucky with his goal disallowed.
Typical to see both our No9's hobble off - let's hope Rutter or Bamford can start next week
Overall - very good first half, OK second.
Solid 1st half,Hearts are poor tbh.
Bamford looks sharp.
I don't understand the formation Sini,James and Jimmy all seem to be 10 yards apart at some times,I'm not saying it's wrong I just don't understand it.
Hjelde looks really good
Ayling looking more like himself from 2 or 3 years ago.(sorry Dan 😁)
Farke-ball is beginning to happen.
Dan James is sooo frustrating
That was a very positive first half.
Good team effort, with lots of good performances really.
Well controlled possession, dominated hearts who looked crap.
Ayling did well for the goal - seems a bit odd to pick any one player out of that half as being particularly better than any other - I suppose for me Hjelde stood out - Summerville was involved a lot. Only down side was Rutter limping off.
Hearts 0-1 Leeds at HT
Anybody forking out for the Hearts stream?
Would have liked to see Charlie Allen iven a chance at the number 10 role this preseason but seem he being held in the U21' for another season. He has that ability to unlock things with a pass.
Summerville can make that position his own and unless we sign a true South American number 10 we mY need to change the role a little.
What a 2nd half performance! 👍👏
Poveda was unbelievable and as good as that is we know he'll be massively inconsistent alongside James on the other wing.
We'll no doubt get rid of Summerville and Gnonto now after this 45mins from Poveda! 🙈🤬😲🤔
Credit to Hattrick for his finish.... cool, composed but would he try and roll his foot over the ball in a pressure league game!?
Shacks was good too in different positions 👏
As good a performance as this was, we are going to be moving backwards if we keep ALL OF Ayling, Coops, Shacks, Bamford, Poveda etc in the squad.... we'll be playing Costa next! 🙈
Congratulations to the team tonight on a great performance and probably the worst result we could have got by winning.... very weird feeling! 🙈🤣🤔
Nice finish from 18 yards from Poveda,who's looked tidy on the wing and at number 10 since he came on ..
Very confident finish by Paddy after a terrible pass back ..
No Drammeh or Summerville in the squad 👀👀
I think we should play
Meslier
Drammeh Cresswell Strujic Hjelde
Gyabi Ampadu
Gnonto Gray Rutter
Bamford
Joseph on for Bamford at half time and Summerville for one of the wingers,Gelhardt at number 10 for 45 mins.
This is our last game to experiment imo the Hearts team on Sunday will probably be close to the team that starts against Cardiff.
Id like to see how Rutter does on the wing and how Gray does at number 10,also hope Perkins and Bate get a run out ..
Good to see you back Lord Drizzlybum.... are you going tomorrow evening? We'll hopefully get a stream from somewhere....
My love for Bamford has waned and I'd love to see young Joseph get a run.... a goalscorer is a goalscorer and fk all this crap that a goalscorer has to fit into a system.
Goalscoring is the hardest, yet most important, thing to do. Let our system of play fit around a potential 20+ goalscorer and not the other way around!!
If we had a 20 goal player last season we'd still be in the fkn Premier....
Anyone heard that Adams wants to leave?
So it is Forest on Thursday evening at Burton's ground
My team for the first 60mins or so would be:
Meslier
Drameh Cresswell Cooper Hjelde
Adams Gray
Summerville Gnonto Sinisterra
Rutter
Interesting to hear that Farke said he would prefer 2 easier opersitions prior to playing the likes of ManU and Monaco (European level - he called it).
We play Nottingham Forest then Hearts in the next 6 days. Interesting to see how long the side plays for in each...
we're consistent if nothing else.
Wasteful, fragile at the back and as a result very predictable we lost another 0-2.
We need to get a result soon just to show the players they can do better and they are capable of competing in the Championship.....
Hearts next starts to look like an important game
Byram on as a sub???thought he wasn't on trial
Ampadu looks tidy so far,creating a few chances from long balls
Hopefully it works....I'm not paying LUTV to watch the game,their track record is bad for getting me a good stream
Starting side vs Monaco
Meslier
Ayling, Cooper, Struijk, Hjelda
Ampadu, Gray
James, Summerville, Sinisterra
Rutter
Seems Captain Brown nose and his right hand man Mr ponytail bun have managed to blind another manager through their Mr Leeds nice guy act.
Looking forward too the Monaco game. Meant to be live on LUTV and only £4.99!
Gnonto due back for training tomorrow so we may, or may not, get some clues as to whether he's going to stay with us.....or whether he's going to have another relegation scrap with Everton.
Surely he's better than this and others should be in for him but it'd be great if he trained really hard for us.
If we're not going to sign any fkn players with the season 20 odd days away then at least players like him, Wober, Adams, Meslier, Sinesterra, Harrison, Summerville etc should stay and get us out of the crap they put us in in the first place.... unfortunately it doesn't work like this but the longer they stay the more chance we have of keeping them.
What a crap post but I'm trying to hold out for a bit of optimism....
Fk me I've changed my mind and we're fkn unbelievable and going up....
Think it's more symptomatic of the slow transition from Acer to 49ers.
They did announce the fixtures on Wednesday
https://www.leedsunited.com/newsmobile/team-news/31660/pre-season-friendly-nottingham-forest-n
There is not much in the way of preseason promotion media this year. Wondering if it is because it will show our players throwing up after the running they are doing.
Sadly, I watched the game. Agree with comments on here. We were OK in the first half and piss poor in the second even though we had far more experienced players.
Tried to catch what I could of the game on a naff stream that kept freezing, whilst making tea and then trying to eat it.
Of the bits I saw it confirmed that Ayling is sadly very much past his best and should in no way be out first choice RB. He has been a fantastic servant to the club, but he simply isn't good enough now.
2-0 to scum u21's full time, could've been more.
The more senior players (Bamford, James,Ayling,Strujic,Gelhardt) failed to use there experience to dictate the pace of the game.
Bate & Joseph looked decent 2nd half.Gray looks lively as well..
that's that then.
Second half we played an equally experienced team as the first half but this 45 mins against Man Utd U16s and we looked rubbish.
Struijk was crap, goalie (VdH) not great, Bamford and James well below what's needed, Bate not effective, Joseph OKish
Manure U16 1-0 Leeds
Let them go through on the break (Struijk) - very last season.
entirely new team for the second half except Drameh!!
he goes to LB
Unfortunately watching MUTV on a stream 🖕🤬🖕🤬
We still look all over the place at the back and Mancscum look far more comfortable on the ball and have a plan with little triangles etc...
Gyabi looking good and would love him to play every game preseason to show him that we want him and he could thrive from this....
Very impressed with Hannibal from them and could be worth a loan.... fk me I'm watching on MUTV and want a player from them on loan! 😲🤔🤬😭
Half Time 0-0
Very early days but not a bad half - watchable and we seem to have a plan.
Understandably Manure had the better chances, but our 4-2-3-1 is more controlled and possession based than the chaos of last season.
Rutter up front looks tricky at times, but Sinisterra was the best Leeds player out there - very composed and balanced, good passes and involvement. Poveda trying hard on the right wing. Greewood quiet and a bit fragile in the 10 shirt.
Gyabi seeing a lot of the ball in midfield unlike Shackleton who never touched it.
Drameh and Hyelde at fullback have potential, Klaasen made a good stop but a bit iffy with his distribution. Centrebacks mostly solid, occasional gaffe and scramble back.
well the camera is sorted at least!
I've stumped up for the stream - stupidity I know!
The game v Manchester Reds is on lutv ( at a price )
Game in York same day as train strike
Man Poo, Monaco at York's 8,500 seater and Hearts at their ground. Would expect behing closed doors games v clubs like Farsley/Harrogate/York too
Just hope we are ready for the sheep shaggers. Live on Sky, never felt this nervous since we faced Stoke in MB's first game, but look what happened there!! My boy and I were watching in disbelief!! Amazing footie not like the drivel we had seen from Colin, Monk, Evans, Redders, Heckingbottom et al.
So we have 3 games and will be undercooked when we face Baadiff
Well Koch, Llorente and Aranson didn't turn up for preseason, so clearly they're all off.
Bet we take thousands to Hearts....
Monaco game to be played at York as a big referb to our pitch so no home friendlies....
The Mancscum friendly is next week and should be able to stream it.... if we have a manager and team by then!
We due to have a few more behind closed doors friendlies....
Fortunatley, our 12 international players will not report back until 10th July
So we will probably only have about 10 turning up on 2nd.
Robles (?) Ayling, Struick, Koch (?) Firpo (?), Greenwood, Bate, Bamford, Geldhart, Perkins, Sinisterra, Poveda, Forshaw (?), Shackleton, Costa (?) , Harrison, Roca (?), Rutter, Drameh and Gray.
So assuming those with question marks leave, then it is 14 players due back on 2nd.
Preseason dat one is going to be our fitness guys taking training at this stage. The same guys who had our team unfit last season. Oh how look forward to the team training to sub par standard once more.
£79 a ticket I've heard, to watch us get hammered.